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class="style10">Floating Camera

>Published : 11th Sept. 2006

>Would anyone like to share ideas on how to obtain the feeling of a floating camera.

>Something like the feeling that someone is observing or spying on a scene. Of course I'd use foreground elements and all, partially blocking the view at times.

>Steadicam is too clean I think for that.

>Thanks in advance.

>Jean Marc Selva
DP, Paris. France.


>I think the easiest solution for this, would be to use a bungie rig...

>A camera plate that can be rigged off most things, it is simply a flat camera plate with four rubber tube/elastic ropes coming from each corner rigged normally to a single d-shackle with a carabino (for easy clip in/out). The best I have seen actually has two plates, one for the camera and another around 12" above the camera plate - making it easier to access the camera.

>Of course there are many ways to skin a cat...

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>Jean Marc SELVA wrote:

class="style11">>Would anyone like to share ideas on how to obtain the feeling of a >floating camera. Something like the feeling that someone is observing >or spying on a scene.

Recently had a similar series of shots where we had to imitate a Panther spying on his prey. We used the bungie technique.


A couple of years ago on a commercial series with Erwan Elias we used this as well, imitating a bee. Worked very nicely.

>Otherwise a jib-arm might be another solution.

>33 fps is also to be considered.

>Regards,

>Emmanuel, Munich

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>>>33 fps is also to be considered.

>Why 33 fps?

Did you try other frame rates in that area but found 33fps to be a better choice?

I know it's weird, but we have shot a lot of pour shots [beer & milk] at 88fps...

Cheers,
Jeff Barklage, s.o.c.
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class="style11">>Why 33 fps?
>Did you try other frame rates in that area but found 33fps to be a better >choice?

>It is a very popular subtle slow motion speed in commercial shooting.

>It is also a safe speed in 50Hz environment. It should be 33,33 to be honest.

>Regards

>Emmanuel, Munich

>Assistant Caméra - Camera Assistant - Kamera Assistent
BVK(German Association of Cameraman) - European based
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number)
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>Talk to your Steadicam Op. He/she can take the rig out of trim, make it bottom heavy, out of dynamic balance, etc. to give it a very floaty feeling. The operator would essentially be screwing everything up that he/she normally takes great care to setup precisely so that it was a continuing fight to operate and control the rig.

>Should give just the quality you seek.

>Or you could hire a really bad Steadicam Op.

>Mitch Gross
NYC DP


>What kind of a camera would you be using? Size and weight will effect how you can get that effect.

>Jessica Gallant
Los Angeles based Director of Photography
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>Hi,

class="style11">>Or you could hire a really bad Steadicam Op.

>You called!

>Phil Rhodes
Video camera/edit
London


class="style11">> What kind of a camera would you be using? Size and weight will effect >how you can get that effect.

>Camera is a Moviecam Compact.
Thanks for all the interesting answers so far.

>Jean Marc Selva
DP, Paris.


>Floating effect is easy on the Steadicam... just go into wacky mode and stop pretending to be a dolly.

>Brian Drysdale
DP & Steadicam
Belfast


>Sorry, I'm a little late to this discussion, so I apologize if I'm repeating anything previously mentioned. But the best floating camera rig I've used --and ever seen -- is two jib arms interconnected.

>It's sometimes referred to as a "scissor rig". The Cadillac version is two Fisher "Jimmy Jibs" but there are numerous variants. With a periscope lens, the scissor rig was a standard NY table top device.

>The only problem with using a Steadicam or the like is operator fatigue. If you need the rig for working the shots out, rehearsals and shooting you will quickly burn through the operator.

>The other advantage of the scissor rig is that it has considerable mass so that the camera really does appear to be floating.

>Brian Heller
IA 600 DP