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Hi Speed HD

Published : 23rd November 2013

Folks,


I've got a shoot coming up that might have a high speed element.

Relatively low budget. I'll be doing most of it, and all the interviews with my Varicam. But if we do high speed .... the Varicam will do 60 - I don't mind going down to 720. But if I want to go faster, what are my choices? A RED will get me up to 120fps.

If I get a Phantom, I can go as fast as I want but it gets pretty costly. Is there anything in betwee

Marty Mullin
DP
www.martymullin.com
Los Angeles
818 712-0272


Marty Mullin wrote:

>> If I get a Phantom, I can go as fast as I want but it gets pretty costly. Is there anything in between?

We do have older model Phantoms at reduced rates. If you output to something like a KiPro then you're still at a better quality than your Varicam and it will save you money in post. We also have P2 recorders which can capture in the same DVCPROHD format as the Varicam for ease in post, if you'd really like to go that way. The Phantom could output 720 as well.

Mitch Gross
Applications Specialist
AbelCine NY


Hey Marty how are you?

Maybe the new Sony FS 700? 240 fps-

Ask Adam Wilt to borrow his.

Best,

John Babl
DP
Miami


Red Epic will shoot 300fps at 2K. $1500/day here in Atlanta. Given the elements that you're shooting and the lighting/background, I've gotten away with some pretty extreme "twixtoring".

Here's an example. I think the footage held up.

http://vimeo.com/40062011

Jake Ures
Atlanta, GA
Cinematographer
678.697.7850

>> Is there anything in between?


In addition to the excellent options mentioned so far, I'd maybe add:

Red Scarlet - it's got a burst mode, I think?? Unsure of what that is at - say - 2k, or for that matter it's availability, but presumably moderately cheap to rent.

SR3-HS? Will run 150fps, could probably find/blag the camera for next to nothing, but of course you've got stock, dev and tk/scan costs (and maybe lenses if you're shooting the rest of the shots on a Varicam) - if you've only got the odd shot you need >60fps for, might be worth thinking about?

If it were me, I'd plump for an Epic or a Phantom, budget allowing...

Hope it works out well,

Dom,
DP, UK.


Camera not yet shipping. He had to give it back.

Mitch Gross
Applications Specialist
AbelCine NY


Jake Ures wrote:

>> Red Epic will shoot 300fps at 2K. $1500/day here in Atlanta. Given the elements that you're shooting and >> the lighting/background, I've gotten away with some pretty extreme "twixtoring".

Heavily compressed and using just the center of the sensor. Not the camera's sweet spot. For the same kind of money he can get a Phantom HD Gold.

And soon a Miro M320S.

Mitch Gross
Applications Specialist
AbelCine NY


>> Red Epic will shoot 300fps at 2K. $1500/day here in Atlanta. Given the elements that you're shooting and >> the lighting/background, I've gotten away with some pretty extreme "twixtoring".

Epic shoots 300fps at 2K widescreen, which works to 2048x854 (or something like that...), so 1080p is kinda weird... Expect reduced dynamic range, or so it would seem

Nick Timmons
415-669-4781
Camera Assistant/DIT
Panoramic Digital Cinema
www.pamoramic.tv


There is also the X35 from pstechnik, capable of 450fps at 10bit 4:2:2 output to a recorder of your choice, not sure if there are many available in the US or elsewhere for that matter...

cheers
Pedro Emauz
Lighting cameraman
Lisboa, Portugal


>> Expect reduced dynamic range, or so it would seem.

Color depth and dynamic range were definitely not as robust as shooting full resolution, but it wasn't any worse than shooting other cameras less than 2K. Didn't feel any more limited in dynamic range than an HD Gold, but I haven't seen/done any tests on that.

HD Gold wouldn't be a bad movie if budget allowed though. I know those day rates are a lot cheaper than they used to be.

Jake Ures
Atlanta, GA
Cinematographer
678.697.7850



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